Entry from right side - mirrored canopy hinge side

Discussion for builders, pilots, owners, and those interested in building or owning a Sonex.

Entry from right side - mirrored canopy hinge side

Postby ampzapper » Tue Jul 30, 2024 2:08 pm

How difficult would it be to change the canopy so that you entered from the right side of the aircraft to make it easier for passengers to get in on a legacy Sonex? In the canopy drawings the hook angle SNX-D02-14 looks like the only thing that's not symmetric. I didn't look over the fuselage drawings closely but I could see there being some changes there too. And the wing doublers would have to be reversed. Has this been done before or would there be any reason this wouldn't work?
ampzapper
 
Posts: 10
Joined: Wed Jul 03, 2024 5:39 pm

Re: Entry from right side - mirrored canopy hinge side

Postby Bryan Cotton » Tue Jul 30, 2024 2:31 pm

I think you could absolutely mirror this. The downside is the passenger is going to be responsible for/have access to the canopy locking. It's really not that hard to get passengers to scoot over to the right side, assuming they are able bodied enough to get in a Sonex. I got my 87 year old father in both sides.

I often fly from the right, dual because Adam prefers the left seat and solo because I can fly aerobatics right handed. When I take passengers I put them in the right to get them away from the canopy lock plus the engine start stuff is on the left side.
Bryan Cotton
Poplar Grove, IL C77
Waiex 191 N191YX
Taildragger, Aerovee, acro ailerons
dual sticks with sport trainer controls
Prebuilt spars and machined angle kit
Year 2 flying and approaching 200 hours December 23
User avatar
Bryan Cotton
 
Posts: 5496
Joined: Mon Jul 01, 2013 9:54 pm
Location: C77

Re: Entry from right side - mirrored canopy hinge side

Postby kmacht » Tue Jul 30, 2024 4:51 pm

If you incorporate the swing back canopy design you can get in from either side. Plans for the swing back canopy were once sold by the American sonex association (ASA) but I think they are no longer around. You might find someone on here with one of their CDs the plans were provided on. If not, there are a number of builders with websites and build logs showing how it works that you could figure out the geometry or get measurements from.

Keith
#554
kmacht
 
Posts: 772
Joined: Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:30 am

Re: Entry from right side - mirrored canopy hinge side

Postby Bryan Cotton » Tue Jul 30, 2024 6:03 pm

What Keith says is true, but I'll point out you are adding weight. You don't have a lot of weight to play with especially if you have an Aerovee. Just go into your decision informed. You don't want an airplane that is great to enter from either side but too heavy to take a passenger.
Bryan Cotton
Poplar Grove, IL C77
Waiex 191 N191YX
Taildragger, Aerovee, acro ailerons
dual sticks with sport trainer controls
Prebuilt spars and machined angle kit
Year 2 flying and approaching 200 hours December 23
User avatar
Bryan Cotton
 
Posts: 5496
Joined: Mon Jul 01, 2013 9:54 pm
Location: C77

Re: Entry from right side - mirrored canopy hinge side

Postby Skippydiesel » Tue Jul 30, 2024 6:05 pm

kmacht wrote:If you incorporate the swing back canopy design you can get in from either side. Plans for the swing back canopy were once sold by the American sonex association (ASA) but I think they are no longer around. You might find someone on here with one of their CDs the plans were provided on. If not, there are a number of builders with websites and build logs showing how it works that you could figure out the geometry or get measurements from.

Keith
#554



Hi Keith,

Do you have, can you direct me to, photos of this canopy swing back alternative?
Skippydiesel
 
Posts: 799
Joined: Tue Jul 06, 2021 6:24 am

Re: Entry from right side - mirrored canopy hinge side

Postby WaiexB22 » Tue Jul 30, 2024 9:08 pm

I am planning on modifying mine to swing back. I am probably going to do it very soon. I have a b-model, so my longerons are parallel and I may be able to do this a little differently. I will post how I do it when I get it done.
Robert
Waiex-B 0022
Yamaha Apex
Building
WaiexB22
 
Posts: 119
Joined: Thu Jun 08, 2023 1:56 pm

Re: Entry from right side - mirrored canopy hinge side

Postby DCASonex » Wed Jul 31, 2024 8:31 am

Do not forget that the top surface of the wing is double thickness with an added 0.032" sheet where one stands on it when entering from the left side. This will need to be added to the right side as well if entering from there.

David A.
DCASonex
 
Posts: 935
Joined: Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:04 pm
Location: Western NY USA

Re: Entry from right side - mirrored canopy hinge side

Postby kmacht » Wed Jul 31, 2024 2:36 pm

Skippydiesel wrote:
Hi Keith,

Do you have, can you direct me to, photos of this canopy swing back alternative?



Ryan Roth's builders log has some good photos. You may also want to reach out to him as he had digital copies of the swingback plans loaded to a filesharing site at one point in the past after the ASA stopped offering them.

http://www.rynoth.com/wordpress/waiex/2 ... ompletion/


Keith
#554
kmacht
 
Posts: 772
Joined: Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:30 am

Re: Entry from right side - mirrored canopy hinge side

Postby daleandee » Wed Jul 31, 2024 4:19 pm

If you do a swing back canopy don't be like Mike:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHSo7DYAZLo

If you haven't viewed this, it is very telling and took a lot of humility for Mike to post this. I'm thankful that he did as there's a lesson or two in this ...

Dale
3.0 Corvair/Tailwheel
User avatar
daleandee
 
Posts: 877
Joined: Fri Feb 01, 2013 6:14 pm

Re: Entry from right side - mirrored canopy hinge side

Postby Skippydiesel » Thu Aug 01, 2024 6:10 pm

The safest canopy opening system must surely be forward - a failed to be latched canopy, would be held in position by air pressure.

Anyone have/know of a forward opening canopy design??
Skippydiesel
 
Posts: 799
Joined: Tue Jul 06, 2021 6:24 am


Return to Sonex

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 5 guests