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EAA KIT Weight & Balance Form

Postby pfhoeycfi » Wed Oct 05, 2022 5:12 am

The W&B form that came with the EAA registration kit says that min fuel is calculate using (HP/12) x 6. Is this value, approx 50#, suppose to be used in both the most aft and most fwd table? It would seem to me, I'd want to use zero for the most aft case.

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Re: EAA KIT Weight & Balance Form

Postby XenosN42 » Wed Oct 05, 2022 3:51 pm

I used zero gallons/pounds for fuel for the most aft case. That reflects reality, so I think it's more appropriate to use on the W&B.
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Re: EAA KIT Weight & Balance Form

Postby Bryan Cotton » Wed Oct 05, 2022 8:50 pm

My understanding was to do the W&B for most aft case using two standard FAA 170 lb pilots. On my airplane you can't get to zero fuel and be in the envelope. You need 4 gallons.

I think you may find you can do zero fuel when solo, but not two up.

I've enclosed the W&B I submitted for my airworthiness cert. That's all it is - in the real world if you want to make sure you are good at zero fuel you need to run the particular numbers.
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Re: EAA KIT Weight & Balance Form

Postby pfhoeycfi » Thu Oct 06, 2022 8:35 am

Bryan Cotton wrote:My understanding was to do the W&B for most aft case using two standard FAA 170 lb pilots. On my airplane you can't get to zero fuel and be in the envelope. You need 4 gallons.

I think you may find you can do zero fuel when solo, but not two up.

I've enclosed the W&B I submitted for my airworthiness cert. That's all it is - in the real world if you want to make sure you are good at zero fuel you need to run the particular numbers.


The turbo and cooler adds alot of weight upfront, the result being with a 170# pilot & 170# passenger mine is still within the aft limit with 0 gallons on board. I will not be flight testing that scenario tho...

Your W&B doc is helpful...

Thanks,

peter
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Re: EAA KIT Weight & Balance Form

Postby pfhoeycfi » Thu Oct 06, 2022 8:37 am

XenosN42 wrote:I used zero gallons/pounds for fuel for the most aft case. That reflects reality, so I think it's more appropriate to use on the W&B.


ok great...

thank you,

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Re: EAA KIT Weight & Balance Form

Postby Bryan Cotton » Thu Oct 06, 2022 9:41 am

If you want my .xls document, let me know.
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Re: EAA KIT Weight & Balance Form

Postby pfhoeycfi » Thu Oct 06, 2022 1:27 pm

Bryan Cotton wrote:If you want my .xls document, let me know.



sure...

appreciate it...

I'm getting close

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Re: EAA KIT Weight & Balance Form

Postby Bryan Cotton » Thu Oct 06, 2022 10:18 pm

Here you go! I've also got some calculations for ballast and so on - tweak with your own numbers of course.
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Re: EAA KIT Weight & Balance Form

Postby pfhoeycfi » Fri Oct 07, 2022 9:09 am

Bryan Cotton wrote:Here you go! I've also got some calculations for ballast and so on - tweak with your own numbers of course.



great...

thank you,

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