Discussion of Avionics and Flight Instruments. Such as: EFIS, EIS, GPS, COM, NAV, Antennas, Audio Panels, Steam Gauges
by Skippydiesel » Wed Dec 15, 2021 4:14 am
New aircraft all "lectricary" so I think I would like to have a back up air speed indicator.
To fit diminutive size of aircraft and panel, would like to go for about a 50mm (or smaller). Again I would like the benefit of your learned experience & observations.
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General comments in support/against a particular Brand/Model?
Sonex claimed airspeed range 35 knots to Vne 170 knots - I have always understood instruments of this kind are most accurate in their mid indicating range - Is this peoples experience/understanding ? If so, I guess I am looking at an ASI that indicates from about 20 knots - 200 knots - your comments?
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by N43WX » Wed Dec 15, 2021 8:19 am
MGL has instruments that work well. Can't vouch for the Sonex as I'm still building but I've used them in an RV with good success.
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by DCASonex » Wed Dec 15, 2021 9:19 am
For best accuracy at low air speeds, consider adding a lift reserve indicator. No electric required.
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by Scott Todd » Wed Dec 15, 2021 9:56 am
Do you have any time in a Sonex? Its a pretty honest airplane. I do lots of flight reviews and transition training in various airplanes and have about 20 hours giving instruction in Sonex's. Did you mean ASI in the title?
I want the Pilot to be familiar with the attitude of the airplane vs airspeed. So after a little practice, one of my things it to block the airspeed from their view and do a few simulated engine outs. The lesson is usually stall/spin avoidance but I always toss in airspeed indicator failure as a talking point. They quickly adapt to the nose position of the airplane and don't have any problem landing that way. They tend to come in a little fast and float a little but if the emergency is the ASI quit, it doesn't matter since you probably wouldn't pick a short field for that situation.
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by daleandee » Wed Dec 15, 2021 11:42 am
DCASonex wrote:For best accuracy at low air speeds, consider adding a lift reserve indicator. No electric required.
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I agree with David. I installed a mechanical LRI (Lift Reserve Indicator) on my previous Sonex and also in my current Cleanex. I tend to use them more than the ASI for take-off and landings.
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by Skippydiesel » Wed Dec 15, 2021 7:47 pm
Dyslexia Ruled KO !
Yes I should have put ASI
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by Skippydiesel » Wed Dec 15, 2021 7:55 pm
Scott Todd wrote:Do you have any time in a Sonex? Its a pretty honest airplane. I do lots of flight reviews and transition training in various airplanes and have about 20 hours giving instruction in Sonex's. Did you mean ASI in the title?
I want the Pilot to be familiar with the attitude of the airplane vs airspeed. So after a little practice, one of my things it to block the airspeed from their view and do a few simulated engine outs. The lesson is usually stall/spin avoidance but I always toss in airspeed indicator failure as a talking point. They quickly adapt to the nose position of the airplane and don't have any problem landing that way. They tend to come in a little fast and float a little but if the emergency is the ASI quit, it doesn't matter since you probably wouldn't pick a short field for that situation.
Its a nice idea - flying by attitude/power and certainly works in practice drills, however I have always been a believer in having a reasonable degree of redundancy. Taking your argument one step further - no need for a stall warning and my current aircraft doesnt have one BUT at a small extra cost a stall warning or A of A can be fitted which may just save your bacon some day. In the unlikely event of the Dynon going out on strike (completely blank panel) having a basic ASI and compass will definitely get me home without any difficulty.
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by Skippydiesel » Wed Dec 15, 2021 8:28 pm
daleandee wrote:DCASonex wrote:For best accuracy at low air speeds, consider adding a lift reserve indicator. No electric required.
David A.
I agree with David. I installed a mechanical LRI (Lift Reserve Indicator) on my previous Sonex and also in my current Cleanex. I tend to use them more than the ASI for take-off and landings.
Hi David - until your comment, I hade never heard of this device - gets a good write up in Kitfox - did you purchase or make yours?
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by Sonex1517 » Wed Dec 15, 2021 10:18 pm
I have a UMA round gauge ASI and Altimeter and like them. The ASI is more accurate (in my installation) at cruise by about 7 mph compared to my GRT Mini EFIS.
I also have an LRI and a TinyTach on the instrument panel where ai can look out the windshield on final and see power and lift remaining. It works well for me.
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