Jabiru 3300 cylinder noise!

Jabiru 2200 / 3300 discussions

Jabiru 3300 cylinder noise!

Postby buffmaintainer » Thu Jul 23, 2020 6:00 pm

So I picked this engine up to replace my prop strike engine.. it wasn't cheap.. have this noise when I pull the prop through by hand. When I pulled the plugs on the cylinder the noise goes away. To me it sounds like maybe piston slap? The engine is smooth and runs great! Does anyone else have this noise? 200 hours snew.. not looking forward to overhaul...

https://youtu.be/wZvEY0WpXFc
buffmaintainer
 
Posts: 36
Joined: Tue Jun 16, 2020 8:18 pm

Re: Jabiru 3300 cylinder noise!

Postby Sonex1517 » Thu Jul 23, 2020 9:46 pm

I’m no expert as to the source of that sound, but my Jabiru 3300 definitely does not make that noise.....
Robbie Culver
Sonex 1517
Aero Estates (T25)
First flight 10/10/2015
375+ hours
Jabiru 3300 Gen 4
Prince P Tip
Taildragger
N1517S
User avatar
Sonex1517
 
Posts: 1670
Joined: Fri Jun 03, 2011 10:11 am
Location: T25 Aero Estates, Frankston, TX

Re: Jabiru 3300 cylinder noise!

Postby Rick524 » Thu Jul 23, 2020 11:53 pm

Rick524
 
Posts: 159
Joined: Fri Jun 03, 2011 11:40 am

Re: Jabiru 3300 cylinder noise!

Postby Jgibson » Fri Jul 24, 2020 12:05 am

Does it make the noise both hot and cold? On each cylinder? At TDC or other stroke? In normal rotation direction of both 'backwards' and normal?
It sort of sounds like a sticking valve stem that is letting the valve 'snap' shut on it's seat. Narrow it down to which cylinder (or all), which stroke, hot or cold, etc. That will help guide you to the EXACT time and place of the occurance.

Joe Gibson
Jgibson
 
Posts: 78
Joined: Tue Dec 01, 2015 8:27 pm

Re: Jabiru 3300 cylinder noise!

Postby sonex1566 » Fri Jul 24, 2020 6:36 am

I agree, it doesn't sound nice! I'd vote to take the rocker covers off and watch the valves and rocker gear. It does sound like a valve snapping shut. Good luck. I've got a 2200, they are easy to work on and spare parts aren't too scary.
Richard
Scratch build Sonex
Std gear, dual control
Jabiru 3300, Sensenich prop
19-8776
1st Flight 25th June 2019. 170 hrs so far.....
http://www.sonex1566.com
sonex1566
 
Posts: 94
Joined: Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:11 am

Re: Jabiru 3300 cylinder noise!

Postby Jgibson » Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:07 am

IF it's an exhaust valve hanging up slightly in the guide, it's not the end of the world.
When the guide gets a little wear, it allows exhaust gasses to pass through the stem rather than out the valve head itself. Those hot gasses 'coke' up deposits on the stem and guide.
IF it's that, first try spraying a little carb cleaner or other gum cutter on the valve stem and workin the valve by turning the motor over back and forth by hand. (That's one of the reasons rocker arms have a 'toe' so that the valve is always rotating slightly when running.)
IF that's what's going on, usually when the motor is hot it disappears as everything comes up to normal temperature and size. BUT if left to it's own devices and the valve isn't cleaning itself, it may eventually stick open altogether rendering that jug dead.
IF that doesn't fix the sticking, it's not a big deal to drop the valve into the cylinder (the old rope trick) and SLIGHTLY ream the deposit out of the guide.
Investigate it carefully to narrow down the cylinder and exact issue.
Just a suggestion.

Joe Gibson
Jgibson
 
Posts: 78
Joined: Tue Dec 01, 2015 8:27 pm

Re: Jabiru 3300 cylinder noise!

Postby Jgibson » Fri Jul 24, 2020 12:35 pm

Please keep us posted on what you find.

Joe Gibson
Jgibson
 
Posts: 78
Joined: Tue Dec 01, 2015 8:27 pm

Re: Jabiru 3300 cylinder noise!

Postby buffmaintainer » Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:23 pm

It's not good. Pulled 5 and 6 heads and the pistons rock back and forth in the bore. This replicates the sound. I'm working on pulling the jugs to see what the damage is. Either way fixing wont be cheap. At the minimum looking at a Hone, new rings and pistons. Not happy. I paid alot of money for this and feel like the guy who sold me the engine knew. And I sold my prop strike engine so I cant even move the cylinders over.
buffmaintainer
 
Posts: 36
Joined: Tue Jun 16, 2020 8:18 pm

Re: Jabiru 3300 cylinder noise!

Postby buffmaintainer » Fri Jul 24, 2020 3:53 pm

Jugs pulled. Cylinders on left side are fine, but piston skirts are trashed. Super scuffed up. No wonder it rocked back and forth.
buffmaintainer
 
Posts: 36
Joined: Tue Jun 16, 2020 8:18 pm

Re: Jabiru 3300 cylinder noise!

Postby sonex892. » Fri Jul 24, 2020 5:04 pm

That buy was bad luck. This overhaul service bulletin just came out a couple of months ago and is probably quite relevant. https://jabiru.net.au/wp-content/upload ... Issues.pdf
If your engine only has single valve springs it might be a good time for you to upgrade to dual springs.
Steve
Sonex 892
Last edited by sonex892. on Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:05 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Steve
Lazair kit 1981 sold
Sonerai 2LS plansbuilt 2003 sold
Sonex kit 2010
Sonerai 2LS project rotax 912
User avatar
sonex892.
 
Posts: 414
Joined: Tue Oct 27, 2015 12:32 am

Next

Return to Jabiru

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot] and 13 guests