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Dual ignition timing

PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2015 8:24 pm
by Gripdana
I had a rough running engine. I tested the primary ignition according to the service bulletin and found I needed to replace the ignition modules. So I just replaced them and now the primary ignition switch shuts off the ignition. I went to check the ignitions to see how close the rpm's are. What I have is as follows. 1600 rpm for both on. 1525 primary on and secondary off. 1530 primary off and secondary on. I retarded the secondary and the secondary was further off and advanced it to what I have now. I am wondering if I may have a bad plug/s? My EGT's and CHT have always been under the maximum allowable. Everything was well tuned prior to the last flight that the engine started running rough. Any suggestions? I did send a note to sonex.

Re: Dual ignition timing

PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2015 10:47 pm
by wlarson861
Check plugs and ignition wires. Before that check the drop at 1900 rpm and see if it is less pronounced. AT 1900 I see about 35 to 50 rpm drop with primary only and 50 to 70 on electronic only.

Re: Dual ignition timing

PostPosted: Tue Jun 23, 2015 3:20 pm
by radfordc
I used to do my mag checks at 2000 rpm at least. Also, lean the mixture to get a smooth running engine before doing the mag checks.

Re: Dual ignition timing

PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2015 3:05 pm
by mike20sm
Not sure if this is relevant, but I recently learned a lot reading Mike Busch's articles on this kind of thing:

http://a.moirier.free.fr/Pilotage/Au%20sol/The%20mag%20check.pdf

https://www.savvymx.com/index.php/articles The EGT myths debunked was good too.

Re: Dual ignition timing

PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 7:14 pm
by Jim1342
Mike is there a secret to getting into Busch's articles? When I clicked on (http://sonexbuilders.us8.list-manage.co ... cb603f39e7) it sent me to a page with a series of articles but when I clicked on one of the articles It sent me to never-never land.

Re: Dual ignition timing

PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2015 12:28 pm
by mike20sm
Jim1342 wrote:Mike is there a secret to getting into Busch's articles? When I clicked on (http://sonexbuilders.us8.list-manage.co ... cb603f39e7) it sent me to a page with a series of articles but when I clicked on one of the articles It sent me to never-never land.


Yeah that list is just a list and not a link to the actual article. The best way is to go here and look at the Sport Aviation Archive http://www.eaa.org/en/eaa/aviation-education-and-resources

Re: Dual ignition timing

PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2015 3:10 pm
by Gripdana
I have not posted the results of my ignition. I sent the magnate one back to Sonex and mine were defective. They would spark but could not be shut off. I replaced the magnetrons and test ran the engine. At the lower rpm there was a wide rpm difference. I re tested at 2000 rpm and had little change. Then test flew the plane for a couple of hours and did the airborne test per the Aerovee manual and the CHT's were with in a few degrees. I also found a ground from the engine block to the FW ground block loose. That was fixed before the test flight. So now the engine is running great.

Re: Dual ignition timing

PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2015 5:45 pm
by mike20sm
Glad to hear it's running smooth again. Did you loctite the grounding cable so it won't happen again?

Re: Dual ignition timing

PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2015 5:51 pm
by Gripdana
It was a bad crimp. I fixed it and ordered a new factory made cable from B & C. That was my plan from the start but I never got around to ordering it.