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Re: Airworthiness inspection questions

Postby 13brv3 » Sun Jan 02, 2022 7:10 pm

Hi Joe,

I watched the webinar a few days ago, but there's no info about the program letter. The old one said something like "for the purpose of operating an amateur built aircraft", so maybe I'm overthinking this. I've got an email into the DAR I used for the last plane, so I'll see what he says this week.

My packet is a couple years old, and just before the change to the AWC portal. Good to know it's been updated. I may just order another pack out of curiosity. If nothing else, at least I'll get another SS data plate with it.

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Re: Airworthiness inspection questions

Postby wlarson861 » Mon Jan 03, 2022 4:15 am

I had to contact Sonex to receive my bill of sale when I was ready to register. They mentioned that they often don't include it with the kit shipment due to the likelihood of it getting lost/misplaced during the build.


I purchased my kit at the builders training at Sonex and got the bill of sale then. Makes sense to hold the bill of sale at Sonex until the builder needs it.
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Re: Airworthiness inspection questions

Postby Sonerai13 » Mon Jan 03, 2022 11:35 am

13brv3 wrote:I watched the webinar a few days ago, but there's no info about the program letter. The old one said something like "for the purpose of operating an amateur built aircraft", so maybe I'm overthinking this. I've got an email into the DAR I used for the last plane, so I'll see what he says this week.


Rusty,

Nothing is changed on the program letter. You can use the one that came in your packet. You just need to scan and upload it like you do with the other documents when submitting to AWC. (Remember, you do NOT upload the 8130-6, application for airworthiness certificate. That is the form you are filling out by completing all the pages of the AWC. It will create the -6 form for you.)

Let me know if you have any questions.
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Re: Airworthiness inspection questions

Postby 13brv3 » Mon Jan 03, 2022 11:47 am

Got it. Thanks Joe!
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Re: Airworthiness inspection questions

Postby pfhoeycfi » Mon Jan 03, 2022 12:48 pm

I have the EAA Cert Kit with a rev date 11/17. Is there a more recent rev?

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Re: Airworthiness inspection questions

Postby Sonerai13 » Mon Jan 03, 2022 1:11 pm

pfhoeycfi wrote:I have the EAA Cert Kit with a rev date 11/17. Is there a more recent rev?


If you're talking November of 2017, then yes, there is definitely a newer version. You can check with EAA directly for the latest details. Call EAA and ask for Timm Bogenhagen. He's the lead man on the kit. He can give you all the details on what's new and what's not.
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Re: Airworthiness inspection questions

Postby Bryan Cotton » Tue Jan 04, 2022 11:22 am

pfhoeycfi wrote:I have the EAA Cert Kit with a rev date 11/17. Is there a more recent rev?

thanks,

peter


Mine is 3/21. It has the online AWC info.
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Re: Airworthiness inspection questions

Postby Bryan Cotton » Fri Jan 07, 2022 12:06 am

Joe, question for you (or anybody who can answer). On the back of my AC Form 8050-2 Bill of Sale, it says to prepare in duplicate, except the signatures are not duplicated. Do both go to the FAA? Or is one for my records? I scanned in the signed form for my records.

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Re: Airworthiness inspection questions

Postby Sonerai13 » Fri Jan 07, 2022 1:28 pm

Bryan Cotton wrote:Joe, question for you (or anybody who can answer). On the back of my AC Form 8050-2 Bill of Sale, it says to prepare in duplicate, except the signatures are not duplicated. Do both go to the FAA? Or is one for my records? I scanned in the signed form for my records.


The bill of sale used to be a three-part form, two of which went to the FAA and one you kept. then I think they might have knocked it down to a two part form. Not sure, because I haven't seen a printed one lately. You can now download the form off the FAA website and fill it out on your computer.

I would suggest you send two copies to the FAA, just to be safe, and keep one for your records. I don't know if they still want two or not, but if they don't they can always just toss the second one.
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Re: Airworthiness inspection questions

Postby pfhoeycfi » Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:07 am

Sonerai13 wrote:
Bryan Cotton wrote:Joe, question for you (or anybody who can answer). On the back of my AC Form 8050-2 Bill of Sale, it says to prepare in duplicate, except the signatures are not duplicated. Do both go to the FAA? Or is one for my records? I scanned in the signed form for my records.


The bill of sale used to be a three-part form, two of which went to the FAA and one you kept. then I think they might have knocked it down to a two part form. Not sure, because I haven't seen a printed one lately. You can now download the form off the FAA website and fill it out on your computer.

I would suggest you send two copies to the FAA, just to be safe, and keep one for your records. I don't know if they still want two or not, but if they don't they can always just toss the second one.


Lots of good info presented in this thread...thanks. I just recv'd the updated Cert kit from EAA and its rev is 3/21. The expiration dates on some of the FAA docs in the kit are not quite up to date but you can get the most recent on the FAA website.

I am curious how best to fill in the sale amount and date on the Aircraft Bill of Sale provided by Sonex. I've heard that some write in $1 and OTC. I also understand that my state, Pa, might want a more accurate number at some point. Also... what is the suggested date (does this XX day of ZZ hereby sell...) to use given that the kit was purchased over period of several years...ie tail kit...airframe kit...engine...instruments...prop?

thanks again...

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