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Engine mount bushings - improper installation.

PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:31 pm
by Bryan Cotton
So I was inspecting under the cowl after completing other maintenance, and found this:


Initially I thought my poly bushings were toast. I took one out and it was pristine. I had a new set to compare to. Then I realized that the reason Sonex uses commercial washers is to allow them to slip over the engine mount tube where the bolt goes through. So I had tightened my stack of AN4 fender washers up against the tube and had not compressed the bushings. Whoops. I'm sharing this mistake in hopes it may help somebody else.

Re: Engine mount bushings - improper installation.

PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2023 3:28 am
by sonex892.
Wow! That engine must have been running ultra smooth Bryan.

Re: Engine mount bushings - improper installation.

PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:30 am
by Bryan Cotton
sonex892. wrote:Wow! That engine must have been running ultra smooth Bryan.

Smooth except at low idle. Had no idea until I spotted it. 71.5 flight hours to date.

Re: Engine mount bushings - improper installation.

PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2023 1:42 pm
by Area 51%
Has the adapter plate been resting on the mount tubes? I helped a Xenos driver replace his sagging rubbers and found the plate had rubbed a nice groove in the mount tubes.
After seeing that, I installed a sacrificial aluminum sleeve over the tubes on my mount.

Re: Engine mount bushings - improper installation.

PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2023 3:36 pm
by Bryan Cotton
Area 51% wrote:Has the adapter plate been resting on the mount tubes? I helped a Xenos driver replace his sagging rubbers and found the plate had rubbed a nice groove in the mount tubes.
After seeing that, I installed a sacrificial aluminum sleeve over the tubes on my mount.

It had not been resting on the tubes.

Re: Engine mount bushings - improper installation.

PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2023 8:31 pm
by Bryan Cotton
So my alignment with the cowl is off and I need to pull the engine off to distribute bushings. I'd really like to avoid pulling off the baffles. I'm considering a 3 point sling - around the two intakes and the prop shaft. Any experience or thoughts?

Re: Engine mount bushings - improper installation.

PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2023 10:58 pm
by Bryan Cotton
Bryan Cotton wrote:So my alignment with the cowl is off and I need to pull the engine off to distribute bushings. I'd really like to avoid pulling off the baffles. I'm considering a 3 point sling - around the two intakes and the prop shaft. Any experience or thoughts?

Disregard - I pulled off the top to my oil cooler baffle and I'm using that lift boss.

Re: Engine mount bushings - improper installation.

PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2023 7:53 pm
by Bryan Cotton
Bryan Cotton wrote:
Area 51% wrote:Has the adapter plate been resting on the mount tubes? I helped a Xenos driver replace his sagging rubbers and found the plate had rubbed a nice groove in the mount tubes.
After seeing that, I installed a sacrificial aluminum sleeve over the tubes on my mount.

It had not been resting on the tubes.

Update: there was some contact on the bottom tubes. Glad I caught this now.

Re: Engine mount bushings - improper installation.

PostPosted: Sun May 21, 2023 11:23 am
by n502pd
Absolutely, the large bore washers are used to be able to slip over the mount tubes, and the front small bore washer is meant to bottom against the same mount tube, and make the resulting compression of the rubber bushing to be pretty tight, and fill the cavity in the aluminum plate. Great catch, and good video!

As my total time is pretty much the same as yours, 71.8, my mounts were saging some. Fount\d three of the four bottom bushings were just about ready to allow steel on aluminum interfacing, so I caught mine in time. replaced with sonex bushings. reused a couple of top bushings that were not damaged.

Lasty, has anyone, over the recent years, found other bushings of same design parameters, but made of more longer living material? there was some discussion a number of years ago, but today I am not sure if any good results were discussed.

Any info and/or comments?

Re: Engine mount bushings - improper installation.

PostPosted: Sun May 21, 2023 12:02 pm
by Bryan Cotton
Mine was just a screwup - the super pro bushings were not compressed at all. Now I have about 20 hours on them with proper installation and there is a little sag. I would recommend having the engine tipped up just a little bit when you do a fresh installation.