Summer temperatures and cooling

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Re: Summer temperatures and cooling

Postby 13brv3 » Tue Jun 20, 2023 12:29 am

Do you have a manifold pressure gauge, or at least an option to connect a MAP sensor to your engine monitor? If so, that makes a dandy cowl pressure sensor.
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Re: Summer temperatures and cooling

Postby Bryan Cotton » Tue Jun 20, 2023 9:29 am

13brv3 wrote:Do you have a manifold pressure gauge, or at least an option to connect a MAP sensor to your engine monitor? If so, that makes a dandy cowl pressure sensor.

I don't. I do have some old Motorola pressure sensors and a raspberry pi, but I'm not sure I have the ambition.
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Re: Summer temperatures and cooling

Postby 13brv3 » Tue Jun 20, 2023 1:44 pm

I bought one of these a while back to try to measure differential pressure, but I've had that same ambition problem. I also just don't have a good way to run the hoses through temporarily.
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Re: Summer temperatures and cooling

Postby Bryan Cotton » Tue Jun 20, 2023 10:18 pm

Rusty, run your lines out an air vent and then up through the cowl outlet or inlet. Just use the good duct tape. That's out of the Sikorsky flight test playbook.

So in the name of science, I taped over both oil cooler plenum exits inside and out. Left the plenum cover off and went flying.

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Last Sunday we stabilized at 219-221 F in cruise. Tonight after 12 minutes of flight, including a climb to 2500' it was 226 and slowly rising. We did a simulated engine failure as we stayed right over the airport.

So I'm calling that one a fail. Onto the next science experiment. Stand by.
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Re: Summer temperatures and cooling

Postby Bryan Cotton » Wed Jun 21, 2023 10:43 pm

I mounted a little piece of pipe into my exit plenum and secured it for a test flight. The idea is to pull the air out to a separate external exit.

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This aluminum tube is sealed to the plenum with metal tape. I used a little shop vac hose for a temporary test.
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I even used the hose end that plugs into the vac as my exit.
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Initially it seemed like I had a winner. Temps looked really good during climb. They were slowly going up towards 200, it was 90F out, and I was at full power and 80kts. Leveled off and after a bit it seemed the rate of increase was going up even though I was at cruise power and 100kts. So I landed, and found the hose had softened, rested on the exhaust pipe, melted and sealed itself.

Based on my initial positive results I am pursuing this further. The shop vac hose, besides not handling the temperature, is only about 1" ID and corrugated. It was too long also. So I've got some 1.75" scat tubing on the way. I plan to do this right and try again.

Why am I messing with this approach? My CHTs are almost always under 300F. I don't want to screw that up. The only time I went over 400 was a month ago, doing patterns in the heat. The oil got hot first.
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Re: Summer temperatures and cooling

Postby Bryan Cotton » Thu Jun 22, 2023 11:46 pm

Ok, getting serious about this mod. I'm no longer baffled on what to do.
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Re: Summer temperatures and cooling

Postby Bryan Cotton » Sat Jun 24, 2023 5:42 pm

I've got the rivets drilled out of my baffle. It's all apart on the bench. I used it to make a paper pattern. The black outline is where the opening currently is. The green outline is how far I can go if I ignore the rivet line.
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Here I have marked out where my 1.75" tube needs to go.
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Re: Summer temperatures and cooling

Postby Bryan Cotton » Mon Jul 03, 2023 9:33 am

Here is a progress update. Tubes riveted onto the baffle:
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Baffle back together and clecoed to the case:
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This is a mockup reverse scoop. It's a box constructed in two pieces. The flanges go corner to corner and will mount inside the cowl with the ramp sticking out.
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I am going to try one hose and outlet first, and record results. Effectively I'm just increasing outlet area by about 2.5" per scoop.

Come wintertime, I see cabin heat experiments in my future.
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Re: Summer temperatures and cooling

Postby Bryan Cotton » Tue Jul 04, 2023 5:36 pm

Two reverse scoops.
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Re: Summer temperatures and cooling

Postby Bryan Cotton » Tue Jul 04, 2023 10:22 pm

I still need to trim the hole before I can rivet it in.
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