Engine Mount Rubbers

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Engine Mount Rubbers

Postby Skippydiesel » Sat Apr 01, 2023 10:09 pm

Engine Run Time 30 hrs - approximately 25 flight hours.

I have the Mk2 Rotax/Sonex rail type engine mounting system.

In the short time the system has been in use, I have noticed an increase in engine movement (resulting in strike/rub marks on left side) probably happening at shut down.

Before you ask, in an attempt to "soften" the typical Rotax shut down movement - I take great pains to reduce engine speed to low idle (1800 rpm) and then "kill" each ignition individually, pausing briefly between actions.

Back to the mounting system - specifically the isolation rubbers - I would like to explore installing slightly harder rubbers - I believe the "rubbers" are supplied by Barry and that diffrent hardness/compressions are available. Am I correct in this belief?

If you have knowledge/experience of alternative rubbers please advise.

My thanks in anticipations.
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Re: Engine Mount Rubbers

Postby Murray Parr » Mon Apr 03, 2023 5:23 pm

Skippydiesel wrote:Engine Run Time 30 hrs - approximately 25 flight hours.

I have the Mk2 Rotax/Sonex rail type engine mounting system.

In the short time the system has been in use, I have noticed an increase in engine movement (resulting in strike/rub marks on left side) probably happening at shut down.

Before you ask, in an attempt to "soften" the typical Rotax shut down movement - I take great pains to reduce engine speed to low idle (1800 rpm) and then "kill" each ignition individually, pausing briefly between actions.

Back to the mounting system - specifically the isolation rubbers - I would like to explore installing slightly harder rubbers - I believe the "rubbers" are supplied by Barry and that diffrent hardness/compressions are available. Am I correct in this belief?

If you have knowledge/experience of alternative rubbers please advise.

My thanks in anticipations.


22001 series Barry mounts come in medium and hard durometers but you can special order others, the ones Sonex use are Barry 22001-13 Green/White Hard Durometer Shock Mounts.

If you look through all the service bullitins, you will see 2 other additions to help with this, one is a simple addition of custom made washers and the other involves welding a brace to the engine mount but that requires removing the engine and some TIG welding.
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Re: Engine Mount Rubbers

Postby Skippydiesel » Mon Apr 03, 2023 6:34 pm

"22001 series Barry mounts come in medium and hard durometers but you can special order others, the ones Sonex use are Barry 22001-13 Green/White Hard Durometer Shock Mounts."

Thanks Murray - this was a large part of the information I was hoping to get.

Do you happen to know if there is a Barry Shock Mount hardness above 22001-13 Green/White Hard Durometer???
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Re: Engine Mount Rubbers

Postby Murray Parr » Tue Apr 04, 2023 2:12 am

Skippydiesel wrote:[i]

Do you happen to know if there is a Barry Shock Mount hardness above 22001-13 Green/White Hard Durometer???


The only info I've found is on aircraft spruce website. It states "The standard neoprene elastomer is resistant to oil, and other materials are available on special order."
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Re: Engine Mount Rubbers

Postby Skippydiesel » Tue Apr 04, 2023 7:55 am

Murray Parr wrote:
Skippydiesel wrote:[i]

Do you happen to know if there is a Barry Shock Mount hardness above 22001-13 Green/White Hard Durometer???


The only info I've found is on aircraft spruce website. It states "The standard neoprene elastomer is resistant to oil, and other materials are available on special order."


Your a good man Murray.

Without test data I don't know what Aircraft Spruce are trying to say - sounds like a catch all phrase in leu of factual information.

I have write to Sonex, to get their input - let you know what they say.
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Re: Engine Mount Rubbers

Postby Murray Parr » Sat Apr 08, 2023 5:36 pm

There is a Data sheet on Spruce website which shows 2 harder durometer bushes. Specs are on page 6. Part numbers 22001-14 & 22001-15

15-05688.pdf
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Re: Engine Mount Rubbers

Postby Skippydiesel » Sat Apr 08, 2023 7:17 pm

Murray Parr wrote:There is a Data sheet on Spruce website which shows 2 harder durometer bushes. Specs are on page 6. Part numbers 22001-14 & 22001-15

15-05688.pdf


Great information Murray.

Sonex respond to my enquiry - they are standing by their recommendation to use their supplemental washer kit SNX-SB-012
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Re: Engine Mount Rubbers

Postby Murray Parr » Sun Apr 09, 2023 11:18 pm

[quote="Skippydiesel

Sonex respond to my enquiry - they are standing by their recommendation to use their supplemental washer kit SNX-SB-012[/quote]

I tried to install the washer kits on the weekend but the 1/2" ID ones don't fit, the male Barry mount it is supposed to go over is more like .570" I will probably have to ream them out some.
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Re: Engine Mount Rubbers

Postby Skippydiesel » Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:52 am

Murray Parr wrote:[quote="Skippydiesel

I tried to install the washer kits on the weekend but the 1/2" ID ones don't fit, the male Barry mount it is supposed to go over is more like .570" I will probably have to ream them out some.



Veeeery interesting
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Re: Engine Mount Rubbers

Postby Skippydiesel » Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:41 pm

Some more information from "Barry"

Sorry I don't seem to be able to transfer the product information charts.
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