Electrical penetration of the firewall

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Electrical penetration of the firewall

Postby Bryan Cotton » Tue Oct 30, 2018 2:45 pm

Hey all,
Been planning my next firewall penetration. I noticed that some of you (like Ryan's Waiex) have a firesleeve hose clamped to something that screws on the firewall. Is this a made or bought part? How big of a hole did you need?
Thanks!
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Re: Electrical penetration of the firewall

Postby Bryan Cotton » Tue Oct 30, 2018 5:03 pm

I just found them at Spruce. I think I'll make my own.
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Re: Electrical penetration of the firewall

Postby peter anson » Tue Oct 30, 2018 6:50 pm

Hi Bryan, I used several small Mil-spec connectors https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Military_connector_specifications
You can get them with solder terminals so don't have to buy expensive crimping tools. Can be fabulously expensive but my guess is that it may be possible to buy used or surplus ones. They are entirely reliable. The ones I used have only 6 connections per plug so wiring was pretty simple.
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Re: Electrical penetration of the firewall

Postby Rynoth » Tue Oct 30, 2018 7:18 pm

Bryan Cotton wrote:Hey all,
Been planning my next firewall penetration. I noticed that some of you (like Ryan's Waiex) have a firesleeve hose clamped to something that screws on the firewall. Is this a made or bought part? How big of a hole did you need?
Thanks!


Mine was this kit from ACS:

https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/ ... kkey=33137

The fitting was just a simple stainless steel plate with a hole in it, with a stainless steel ring welded onto it to give the sleeve something to hose-clamp to. It wouldn't be difficult to make if you knew what you were doing. Mine was a 1-inch hole, which was enough room for all of my electrical wires.
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Re: Electrical penetration of the firewall

Postby Jim1342 » Wed Oct 31, 2018 2:54 pm

Tony Bingelis offers an inexpensive homemade penetration which is published on the EAA website.
https://www.eaa.org/en/eaa/aviation-com ... et-shields
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Electrical penetration of the firewall

Postby n307tw » Wed Oct 31, 2018 9:28 pm

I agree with Ryan. I used the 1 inch kit. Yeah it’s kind of expensive but one hole and all the wires go through it and it looks neater and professional. I’m not done yet but I attached some pics of my progress so you can see what I mean. Hope this helps.

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Re: Electrical penetration of the firewall

Postby Bryan Cotton » Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:07 pm

Thanks guys! I have the Bingeles books and had seen that shield before. I did poorly forming them with the stainless I had on hand, and where do you get asbestos washers? I will probably make one like the Spruce offerings out of 4130 to match my leftover fire sleeve.
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Re: Electrical penetration of the firewall

Postby woodmw » Thu Nov 01, 2018 1:49 am

Could you cut some round disks out of fire sleeve to use in place of the asbestos washers?
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Re: Electrical penetration of the firewall

Postby Bryan Cotton » Thu Nov 01, 2018 6:35 am

woodmw wrote:Could you cut some round disks out of fire sleeve to use in place of the asbestos washers?

That is a great idea!
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Re: Electrical penetration of the firewall

Postby 9GT » Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:59 am

These are a great low cost solution for firewall penetrations. Buy a foot of appropriate fire sleeve and a couple clamps and you have a professional looking fire barrier to the cabin. https://www.amazon.com/uxcell-Diameter-Silver-Stainless-Flange/dp/B00E1HEGTO . When you have all your wires run through, don't forget to stuff the penetration with some 3M Fire Barrier 2000 sealant: https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/ ... kkey=13950 , then worm clamps, one holding the fire sleeve on the flange, the other over the end of the fire sleeve where the wires exit into the engine compartment. Don't fool yourself into thinking you could use high temperature RTV instead of the expensive 2000 sealant. There is no comparison in actual testing results.
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