Control horn trim spring weldment contacting bottom of seat

Discussion for builders, pilots, owners, and those interested in building or owning a Waiex.

Control horn trim spring weldment contacting bottom of seat

Postby Rynoth » Sat Nov 28, 2015 1:00 pm

I'm having an issue where the triangle-shaped trim spring weldment on the control stick assembly is scraping the bottom of my seat pan (Waiex with standard lowered seat.) I can't bend the weldment down any farther because the cross bar that connects the ailerons is already contacting it when I input full right aileron. Anyone else had this issue?

The pics below show the control stick and trim weldment with full right aileron input. This is with the wings installed and I can tell that the ailerons are not quite at full deflection when the cross tie hits the bottom of the weldment, so bending the tab down would only reduce my aileron deflection.

Image

Image

And this picture shows that it's done to the bottom of my seat pan after just a little time spent on the ground moving the flight controls around.

Image

The steel weldment is filing a groove in the seat pan that will eventually cut through the pan.

The only real solution I'm seeing at this point is to remove the weldment and come up with a different way to attach my trim spring to the control assembly.
Ryan Roth
N197RR - Waiex #197 (Turbo Aerovee Taildragger)
Knoxville, TN (Hangar at KRKW)
My project blog: http://www.rynoth.com/wordpress/waiex/
Time-lapse video of my build: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8QTd2HoyAM
User avatar
Rynoth
 
Posts: 1308
Joined: Fri Jul 26, 2013 1:32 pm
Location: Knoxville, TN

Re: Control horn trim spring weldment contacting bottom of s

Postby marsolgp » Sat Nov 28, 2015 2:15 pm

I had same problem .... I took the seat pan out, turned it upside down on a sand bag and using a ball pein hammer, made a dent about one inch wide and the length of the rub mark and about 1/2" deep.
G. Marsolais
Waiex w/Turbo Aerovee
Rotec TBI, Sensenich Climb Prop
MGL Xtreme EFIS & EMS
A/P, iFly720 w/ADS-B
marsolgp
 
Posts: 119
Joined: Thu Feb 14, 2013 8:29 pm
Location: Kansas

Re: Control horn trim spring weldment contacting bottom of s

Postby caymancraig » Sun Nov 29, 2015 1:01 pm

I also had the same problem. I am stalled a butt brace under the seat pan. In my case it was a big butt brace as the seat pan was bowing down. I used a simple piece of one by one angle and it solves my problem.
Craig Mock
Waiex - N239YX
Tri-gear, turbo, Dynon panel
Naples, Fl
User avatar
caymancraig
 
Posts: 27
Joined: Thu May 01, 2014 3:08 pm
Location: Naples, FL

Re: Control horn trim spring weldment contacting bottom of s

Postby Rynoth » Sun Nov 29, 2015 1:09 pm

caymancraig wrote:I also had the same problem. I am stalled a butt brace under the seat pan. In my case it was a big butt brace as the seat pan was bowing down. I used a simple piece of one by one angle and it solves my problem.


Interesting, is it secured to the fuselage in any way, or is it just a stiffener riveted across the pan?

I have noticed that the rub only occurs when I sit in the seat with upholstery installed. If i sit straight on the metal pan, it doesn't rub, at least when I'm alone.
Ryan Roth
N197RR - Waiex #197 (Turbo Aerovee Taildragger)
Knoxville, TN (Hangar at KRKW)
My project blog: http://www.rynoth.com/wordpress/waiex/
Time-lapse video of my build: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8QTd2HoyAM
User avatar
Rynoth
 
Posts: 1308
Joined: Fri Jul 26, 2013 1:32 pm
Location: Knoxville, TN

Re: Control horn trim spring weldment contacting bottom of s

Postby Gripdana » Sun Nov 29, 2015 2:22 pm

Do you have the lower seat mod?
Dana Baker
Scratch Built
First Flight March 8, 2015
Sonex #1534 - N1534S "Aluminum Foil"
Aerovee-Dual Controls-Tail Dragger
Gripdana
 
Posts: 479
Joined: Fri Jan 11, 2013 5:59 pm

Re: Control horn trim spring weldment contacting bottom of s

Postby Rynoth » Sun Nov 29, 2015 2:56 pm

Gripdana wrote:Do you have the lower seat mod?


Yes, in the Waiex the standard seat in the plans IS the lowered seat.
Ryan Roth
N197RR - Waiex #197 (Turbo Aerovee Taildragger)
Knoxville, TN (Hangar at KRKW)
My project blog: http://www.rynoth.com/wordpress/waiex/
Time-lapse video of my build: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8QTd2HoyAM
User avatar
Rynoth
 
Posts: 1308
Joined: Fri Jul 26, 2013 1:32 pm
Location: Knoxville, TN

Re: Control horn trim spring weldment contacting bottom of s

Postby saddler » Sun Nov 29, 2015 7:29 pm

Ryan,

I had the same issue. I built the seat pan to the plans but what I found out was that it ended up having a little "slack" in it when attached via the hinges. What I did was drill out the rivets at the front hinge attachment on the seat pan and move the hinge aft about 1/4", redrilled the holes, and installed new rivets. This makes the seat a little harder to install as the hinge loops are flush with the front of the seat pan. However, it completely cured my problem. It effectively made the seat pan have less give when you sit on it. Hope that makes sense?
Sean Saddler
Troy, OH
Waiex #165
First Flight 10/16/2015
https://www.facebook.com/Waiex165?ref=hl
saddler
 
Posts: 55
Joined: Tue Mar 25, 2014 9:14 am

Re: Control horn trim spring weldment contacting bottom of s

Postby fastj22 » Sun Nov 29, 2015 8:05 pm

Mine rubbed too. I put some shrink wrap around the spring to keep it from rubbing metal to metal.

John Gillis
SEL Private, Comm Glider, Tow pilot (Pawnee Driver)
Waiex N116YX, Jabiru 3300, Tail dragger,
First flight, 3/16/2013. 403 hours and climbing.
Home: CO15. KOSH x 5
Flying a B-Model Conversion (Super Bee Baby!)
User avatar
fastj22
 
Posts: 1594
Joined: Sun Aug 21, 2011 5:56 pm
Location: Mile High

Re: Control horn trim spring weldment contacting bottom of s

Postby LarryEWaiex121 » Mon Nov 30, 2015 12:22 pm

I believe everyone with a Waiex has run across this problem. I did a similar trick of peening the bottom "up" to give clearance from the spring mostly. I don't have this issue solo but it was an everytime occurrence when I was two up. Adjusting the seat pan took care of the matter. Not a lot of extra room with the lowered seat as standard in the Waiex.

Larry
Waiex121YX, Jab3300 solid, 456.5 hrs., 19 degrees out. damn!
LarryEWaiex121
 
Posts: 212
Joined: Wed Sep 04, 2013 5:53 pm

Re: Control horn trim spring weldment contacting bottom of s

Postby Rynoth » Mon Nov 30, 2015 2:01 pm

Thanks again for the responses, surprised I haven't come across mentions of this issue before. I want full flight control deflections which can be achieved by bending this tab upwards slightly, but its current (stock) position already limits right aileron deflection before I've even attached the spring (which will add more material to the top of the tab to scrape on the seat pan, due to the "hook" of the spring into the tab.) I will likely try a combination of peening the seat pan and relocating the forward hinge on the seat as mentioned above.

Has anyone found an alternative method to attach the trim spring to the controls that works?
Ryan Roth
N197RR - Waiex #197 (Turbo Aerovee Taildragger)
Knoxville, TN (Hangar at KRKW)
My project blog: http://www.rynoth.com/wordpress/waiex/
Time-lapse video of my build: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8QTd2HoyAM
User avatar
Rynoth
 
Posts: 1308
Joined: Fri Jul 26, 2013 1:32 pm
Location: Knoxville, TN

Next

Return to Waiex

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest